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janalsncm 3 hours ago [-]
A couple of questions after reading this article. The Post is not exactly top notch journalism.
First, does her activity actually fit the definition of “espionage”?
Espionage is the act of secretly gathering confidential, classified, or proprietary information without the owner's permission
The most important question is what she actually sent and how secret it was. Most companies have levels of secrecy ranging from non public to highly sensitive. For example, schematics of their chip would be concerning.
Also, this seems pretty different from setting up a mic behind a TV.
Second, although the article tries very hard to imply there was some kind of infidelity, adding irrelevant details about Jensen’s family, I don’t know that any of that happened.
int0x29 3 hours ago [-]
Not sure why the New York Post is being used here considering its complete lack of credibility and the fact this story appeared in the New York Times first
bookofjoe 3 hours ago [-]
>Nvidia Chief Seen as Target of Chinese Spy Plot [updated 3:27pm ET today]
Are you questioning Mr. Alexander Hamilton's New York Post???
lern_too_spel 60 minutes ago [-]
They're questioning Rupert Murdoch's tabloid-era New York Post, not Dorothy Schiff's liberal NY Post or Alexander Hamilton's Federalist NY Post.
johnnyanmac 2 hours ago [-]
Probably because you read 5 seconds into NYT and get hit with a paywall.
kelseyfrog 5 minutes ago [-]
PW;DR, but I'm never going to let that stop me from still leaving comments >:-)
teiferer 1 hours ago [-]
HN usually has a helpful ad-free permalink and this one here is no exception.
Though the NYT article should be the primary one, not the ny post one.
johnnyanmac 12 minutes ago [-]
Sure. But I'm sure linking to a paywall inevitably affects the traffic to the post. Extra clicks and scrolling to find a readable link only adds friction.
mudil 3 hours ago [-]
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CodingJeebus 3 hours ago [-]
If she is an asset and was close enough to gain physical access to his phone or main computer, that's pretty much the ballgame. CEOs often don't want their devices being on company MDMs, that's for the underlings.
janalsncm 2 hours ago [-]
I agree with everything you said, but all we know is that she had business meetings with him.
The picture in the article has a bunch of other people around them, in a bar/club. Pretty sure he wasn’t laying out the blueprints for the next chip right then and there.
walrus01 1 hours ago [-]
> The Post is not exactly top notch journalism.
I'll go as far as to say it's a right wing agitation propaganda rag. But the story first appeared in the NY Times, as another commenter has linked here,, so it's possible that the story may be accurate (though undoubtedly the nypost has sensationalized it, as that's their specialty), but both things can be true simultaneously. The NY Post can be trash and this series of events might have really happened.
StopTencent 1 hours ago [-]
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aurareturn 3 hours ago [-]
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this is just a hit piece - IE, they were looking to paint Nvidia and Jensen in some bad light and found a vague lead. Didn't matter if the evidence isn't substantial. Just publish and smear first.
tty456 1 hours ago [-]
Sounds like a certain president screaming "Fake news fake news!"
afavour 3 hours ago [-]
I disagree, I think this piece is the consequence of the Trump administration’s inaction. It isn’t even really a hit on Jensen:
> Mr. Huang has not received a defensive briefing, warnings sometimes given to Americans who are being targeted by foreign intelligence services, people briefed on the surveillance said.
It’s essentially saying intelligence was gathered that a Chinese asset was close to Jensen and absolutely nothing was done about it.
to11mtm 3 hours ago [-]
Ehhhhh?
And by that, I mean...
He's the CEO of a company that is in it's second of 15-ish years 'selling shovel' booms. The guy who's motto has been 'We are 30 days from going out of business' for... about-ish 30 years.
Corporate espionage should have been a concern for a good part of that in his communications.
We have no clue what actually happened. For all we know it's a case of 'he was warned, his internal security groups already knew, and they were feeding useless info the whole time'.
afavour 2 hours ago [-]
> We have no clue what actually happened.
We have on the record sources saying that he was not warned by the government. Hence me saying this is a story about government failure.
giantg2 3 hours ago [-]
Nothing has to be collected. All they need to show is that she has some link to foreign government intelligence and attempted to do anything. Good chance she was an unregistered agent which is a violation.
zetazzed 4 hours ago [-]
Super weird that the only relationship documented in this article is two "dinners with AI executives in Asia." Does that count as a close relationship? I get invited to AI dinners in the Bay Area nonstop, and I understand they are always transactional (people wanting to sell me stuff), not actual relations with people who just happen to enjoy my presence...
everdrive 4 hours ago [-]
Are you a CEO? Those invites might work a bit differently.
ummonk 2 hours ago [-]
This. They seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill that seems to consist of a couple of normal business meetings.
9dev 1 hours ago [-]
It’s the NY Post. Did anyone really expect serious journalism..?
StopTencent 39 minutes ago [-]
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markus_zhang 4 hours ago [-]
I doubt Jensen is completely out of the scheme TBH.
Timpanzee 5 hours ago [-]
Sounds like a good Chinese spy. Jensen Huang is the exact kind of relationship I would want my spies to foster if I was China.
wadayano 5 hours ago [-]
You’d be a pretty shit spy agency if you didn’t have agents at least in these people’s orbits.
slowin 4 hours ago [-]
Kind of like Jeffery Epstein and his relationship with Bill Gates, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Reid Hoffman...
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peri-cl 4 hours ago [-]
Or Cami Clark and her relationships with Jeffrey Epstein, Eric Schmidt, Dario Amodei...
Onavo 3 hours ago [-]
Isn't Cami Clark just the classic sleep-their-way-up type? She didn't end up in the Whitehouse unlike a certain other one but her marriage at 20 was to a 64 year old...
(According to the Wall Street Journal)
peri-cl 3 hours ago [-]
Well, no, because she approached Jeffrey Epstein after his release from serving a prison sentence for child prostitution, and proposed (to him!) that they start up a "porn company" together. There are no "classic" explanations for that specific chapter of her biography.
I don't know what to make of this person's life story; she's certainly an extreme statistical outlier.
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blondie9x 4 hours ago [-]
What is going on with Megaspeed anyway?
lurk2 4 hours ago [-]
It has always struck me as absurd that America is so accessible to Chinese nationals. The marginal boost to economic productivity isn’t worth the threat these people pose to national security; the Chinese understand this, so why don’t Americans?
AlecSchueler 4 hours ago [-]
Until recently the US was on the side of international cooperation. It's not only a pity that this has changed but it's sad to see that people are completely forgetting this, as well as seemingly forgetting the incredibly bloody history that we had to endure before embracing the idea of respectful cooperation.
Now China is the grown-up in the room while the US is running around like a maniac in Venezuela, Iran, and wherever else
ballon_monkey 3 hours ago [-]
China who is encroaching on its neighboring countries? Attacking ships in Philippines waters. Yelling at everyone demanding respect while disrespecting everyone around them.
No, China is no more a grownup than the US.
undersuit 3 hours ago [-]
Has China invaded any countries or captured any foreign leaders this year?
deadnomore 3 hours ago [-]
China adds another dash to their South China Sea claim every other year it seems
throwaway384034 4 hours ago [-]
China is high IQ. It is one of the top countries you will want to brain drain from.
Avicebron 4 hours ago [-]
This is nonsense, China has a massive population, like india. So they have some benefits when it comes to distributions.
throwaway384034 3 hours ago [-]
>It has always struck me as absurd that America is so accessible to Chinese nationals.
This is what I was responding to. I'm trying to figure out how it is nonsense because India has a large population.
India already makes up like 70% of H1Bs.
Avicebron 3 hours ago [-]
> It has always struck me as absurd that America is so accessible to Chinese nationals.
The US as a whole is accessible to a ton of foreign nationals because there was a push in like the 70s-early 2000s to offshore as much as possible to developing nations and exploit the arbitrage of wage labor back home. That was coupled with a foreign policy that was essentially trying to assimilate the cultures through that trade relation. Obviously China didn't reciprocate that, and many other places didn't either. But the America side of that open door policy (sentiment really) hasn't really gone away, even with the more recent immigration stuff.
I was responding to the claim that "China" or "Chinese as a whole" have higher IQs, that's not really what's happening. Which is why I brought up India, because it's a similar situation, lots and lots of people, plenty of those people are really smart. But it's a measure of a distribution, not really meaningful when talking about the people as whole themselves. Which itself is reductionist.
pixl97 3 hours ago [-]
Why it is nonsense then?
Would you want to spend your time in a nation looking for 2 of their smart people out of 1000 or make national ties so you can get hundreds of smart people out of their billion?
Also internal distributions will not be even, those smart people are far more likely to be clustered.
shimman 3 hours ago [-]
Unlike India tho, China isn't burdened by American Imperialism and suffering from extreme economic poverty.
Avicebron 3 hours ago [-]
I think it's hard to get a good read on China's actual economic situation from the outside. Which, in itself, speaks to larger issues as we would understand them in the West.
analyst74 3 hours ago [-]
There are plenty information about China on the outside, but nobody is paying anyone to push those into your feeds. It doesn't benefit any US entities to paint China in good light, and China largely doesn't market itself to the wider world (maybe to their detriment).
Avicebron 3 hours ago [-]
If you have sources I would be curious, even the Chinese language ones I've found have seemed, lacking, for want of a better word.
madhacker 3 hours ago [-]
Jared Kushner’s direct access to the Russian oligarch is more damning than any Chinese industrial espionage campaign, which happens every day around the world. Yesterday, Russia was a hostile energy supplier; today, it is an energy-trading partner. Good or bad depends on who is in power.
PowerElectronix 4 hours ago [-]
The honeypots are 100% the best part of being a spy or a VIP target for an intelligence agency.
On that note, they never worked on french spies as infidelity and sex stuff hold seemingly zero leverage over french men.
slowin 3 hours ago [-]
> On that note, they never worked on french spies as infidelity and sex stuff hold seemingly zero leverage over french men.
$1 billion for trafficking would be 100,000 trafficking victims at a rate of $10,000 per victim, which is claimed by LLMs and some Internet sites. It does not make sense and looks like another operation where ironically the trafficking was the cover.
In other words, we know nothing about the real dynamics that led to the "suicides" of Epstein and Brunel.
jimworm 2 hours ago [-]
You may be interested in the case of Bernard Boursicot.
The linked nypost article certainly means to imply an illicit affair, both in how things are phrased and the mention of his wife and kids (the existence of which has no bearing on the story other than to remind you they exist while he is hanging out with some other female).
This may be entirely unfair framing of course.
insane_dreamer 3 hours ago [-]
It was publicly known that Mitterrand had a mistress
nradov 3 hours ago [-]
Ironically if the press had hounded Mitterand out of office over a sex scandal, France would likely be in far better shape today. More than anyone else he converted France from a nation of builders to a nation of takers.
jonathanstrange 4 hours ago [-]
It's still advisable to pretend that it might work, though. Just saying...you've got to think strategically when you work in the national security business.
PowerElectronix 3 hours ago [-]
"I swear it was to make them waste resources and time on me, mon chérie!"
whoanoway 3 hours ago [-]
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Rapzid 3 hours ago [-]
Please can we get this fixed to point to the NY Times article; they broke this story no?
Also, New York Post? Let's do better.
GolfPopper 3 hours ago [-]
What exactly does "better" mean? Both are tools for manipulating public opinion. The NYT is better at inflating it's own reputation.
If NYT was honest, at some point in the past decade it would have acknowledged that one of the primary reporters on its Donald Trump beat was the daughter of an executive VP at the long-time PR firm of Fred and Donald Trump.
There's a man that fell off the subway platform, about to get killed by the subway train, and the New York post photographer saw a great opportunity for a photo op for his employer instead of, y'know helping the guy out. Sure, the NYT has had its fair share of scandals but the NY Post isn't well respected for a whole other level of malfeasance.
tredre3 3 minutes ago [-]
It wasn't an employee, it was a freelancer who likely tried to sell the photo to multiple outlets. The guy also explained that it didn't happen as you describe https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-20611140
The NY Post is crass, we all know that. But if that's your best example of their malfeasance, then I guess they aren't that evil after all.
GolfPopper 2 hours ago [-]
I guess the Post would need to help start a war that kills a couple hundred thousand people before they're seen as respectable.
FWIW, the photographer, Rashid Umar Abbasi, was a freelance photographer.
antonvs 2 hours ago [-]
Better means holding itself to journalistic standards as opposed to catering to the most base instincts of its audience.
The issues you allude to don’t create an equivalence, except in the minds of people with no capacity for discernment whatsoever.
GolfPopper 2 hours ago [-]
I.e. NYT readers prefer their propaganda with a hefty side of snobbery.
aliasxneo 2 hours ago [-]
I was shocked this wasn't flagged into oblivion. NYPost is notoriously wrongspeak.
Ostatnigrosh 2 hours ago [-]
I cannot read or view any of this content because of the 100 ads that pop up.
lurk2 4 hours ago [-]
This is why courtiers were provided with state-mandated GFs for all of human history up until about 40 years ago.
motbus3 2 hours ago [-]
I feel it is a bit naive to think Jansen would be a spy. He would hire all the spies and be the boss of both sides. It is not like he has to choose it
howard941 1 hours ago [-]
> Roughly a year ago, Mr. Trump was briefed about the intelligence findings, which have not been previously reported, and chose not to do anything with the information.
Res ipsa loquitor
greatgib 1 hours ago [-]
It is funny that the spy profile picture is totally photo-shopped compared to her in real life. Unrecognizable. But looks like to be common for older Chinese to alter that much profile pictures.
jansport123 14 minutes ago [-]
yea, Chinese ladies use those crazy filters and i was shocked to find out how they looked like in real life.
lakeviewterrace 4 hours ago [-]
He should call Eric Swalwell for advice.
estearum 4 hours ago [-]
What would Swalwell know?
Swalwell was targeted by Fang Fang in 2012 when he was on Dublin, California's city council and running for his first term in the House of Reps.
When he was by the FBI to Fang Fang's ties, he immediately cooperated with the FBI's investigation and did exactly what they requested.
Thinking Swalwell made any mistake whatsoever is a great shibboleth for a Twitterbrained midwit.
laimewhisps 4 hours ago [-]
Given that China is releasing open weight, self-hostable models I'd far rather NVIDIA work with them than with the US and the closed source model providers. I'd rather have a Chinese model running on my own machine with NVIDIA hardware than an Anthropic/OpenAI/X model running in a data center somewhere, for multiple reasons.
pr337h4m 4 hours ago [-]
This is an apparent nothingburger with zero hint of anything outside plain old business schmoozing on Jensen's part. 'Close relationship' is a really good weasel word (weasel phrase?).
Gabriel_Martin 4 hours ago [-]
weaselwhistle
dmead 2 hours ago [-]
Why is the post and the times in the same hacker news post? What's the point of this.
shironandonand 3 hours ago [-]
to be fair Jensen seems to be rubbing butts with pretty much anyone the past year. Every day I see a new video with him and some billionaire / podcaster / influencer et cetera.
The technology is honey for the flies of geopolitics.
breppp 1 hours ago [-]
Always wondered how one chooses the profession of literal prostitution for a government
MentalM 1 hours ago [-]
That type of profession chooses you, not you chooses the profession.
breppp 49 minutes ago [-]
I doubt it, if I understand that correctly that's not the regular prostitute due to her harsh life, but some different kind of patriotic prostitute
2OEH8eoCRo0 4 hours ago [-]
> US authorities have been investigating Megaspeed over suspicions that it helped Chinese firms circumvent US export restrictions and smuggle advanced Nvidia chips into China, the Times reported.
ActionHank 4 hours ago [-]
lol, honestly this is so stupid, did they really think that the GPUs wouldn't have wound up there?
2OEH8eoCRo0 4 hours ago [-]
If might be stupid but it was the law. Did Jensen know that superspeed were sending chips to china and still sold to them?
What did Jensen know and when did he know it?
He should be forced to testify in front of congress.
ActionHank 4 hours ago [-]
If they start pursuing the law the entire administration is gonna have a hard time.
imagetic 3 hours ago [-]
Content aside I am not sure why anyone on HN reads the nypost. Be better than that. Please.
paxy 4 hours ago [-]
> Roughly a year ago, Mr. Trump was briefed about the intelligence findings, which have not been previously reported, and chose not to do anything with the information. Mr. Trump has been wary of disrupting Nvidia’s chip sales, which are helping to drive the economy and the stock market, and of further complicating the trading relationship with China.
Lmao
nielsbot 4 hours ago [-]
He's saving it as kompromat.
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greenchair 4 hours ago [-]
Perhaps she is the one who makes him wear that mid life crisis jacket?
tehjoker 5 hours ago [-]
"The woman, Alice Huang, also known as Huang Le, is a Chinese citizen who has served as a top executive at Singapore-based Megaspeed, an Nvidia customer and cloud partner that provides AI computing power to Chinese companies including Alibaba, the New York Times reported Thursday."
Do you think that when Jensen talks to Sam Altman or Amodei they don't chat on the phone with Donald Trump?? This is just a smear.
ActionHank 4 hours ago [-]
No idea why you're getting down voted here. People are obviously willfully ignorant that a business would not be interested in doing business and making money, they really don't care who the customer is or why they're spending.
MetalBreaksAndB 4 hours ago [-]
"Nvidia Corporation[a] (/ɛnˈvɪdiə/ en-VID-ee-ə) is an American multinational technology company"
tehjoker 1 hours ago [-]
I perceive that it is our national interest to collaborate widely and collegially worldwide, including with Chinese businesses and scientists. This "red scare" is so stupid. I do not give one crap about OpenAI or Anthropic making a killing. I am more likely to personally benefit from cheap, democratically controlled, and internationally regulated AI. It is clear that America is a Nazi country. We're the bad guys!
Claude was already used in offensive operations in Iran and Venezuela. Why on earth would I want America to have a commanding lead on this? So we can drone strike anyone who disagrees with renaming the Pacific the "American Ocean"?
ActionHank 4 hours ago [-]
That's the thing about capitalism, businesses can sell to customers.
lakeviewterrace 4 hours ago [-]
When is this industry going to have an open, honest discussion about how not getting enough trim in your younger years makes you especially vulnerable to these schemes once you acquire power and wealth?
I've seen 80 variations of this same story over the years.
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Gates and Bezos slept around with younger women and lost more in divorces than 99.9999% of men could ever dream of making.
Elon has recreated the backstabbing and infighting of imperial harem politics with a bunch of women he didn't even physically sleep with.
Despite his other failings you have to give Zuck credit for genuinely being a wholesome wifeguy by all appearances.
paxy 4 hours ago [-]
It’s a generational thing. Zuck is about the age when being nerdy became a perfectly normal thing in mainstream culture. When Gates and co were growing up their personality was the butt of jokes, and they’d be laughed at for trying to approach the “popular” kids.
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jordanb 3 hours ago [-]
Zuck apparently made a huge statue of his wife.
That seems like either the behavior of an extremely devoted husband or the behavior of a husband who cheats shamelessly and then gives her showy gifts to "make up for it"
pesus 3 hours ago [-]
With the blowups of 2 prominent "wifeguys" in recent years and Zuck's attempt at being more "masculine", as he called it, I'm suspecting it's the latter.
rustystump 3 hours ago [-]
iirc, it originally was gonna be of himself but he changed it because that looked a bit too…on the nose.
I think the wife hates it.
Many of those with options see it as a badge of pride to stay loyal. One of those, ya I could if I wanted to but hey look I have self control…most of the time.
dominotw 3 hours ago [-]
i know gates did and got a lot of stds. first i am hearing of bezos doing it.
rustystump 3 hours ago [-]
Bezos i dont think is in the same bucket as gates. If you read about it, he was blackmailed for cheating and said f it and that is how his wife found out. Even then, he seems to be into…older women if his new wife is anything to go by.
delecti 3 hours ago [-]
Both of Bezos' wives are 6 years younger than him (he's 62 and both MacKenzie Scott and Lauren Sánchez are 56). Their ages are only noteworthy for being so completely not noteworthy for a rich guy. It seems like he has age-appropriate taste in women.
nielsbot 4 hours ago [-]
I can see it now. A US national security program to get future CEOs laid more. What.
faidit 2 hours ago [-]
What did you think the Looksmaxxing movement was?
lakeviewterrace 4 hours ago [-]
I don't understand how anyone could not support that idea.
thereisnospork 4 hours ago [-]
I mean that probably already exists in the broad sense of counter-intel. A premptive honeypot if you will.
missedthecue 3 hours ago [-]
I don't really understand the common wisdom that if you get enough when you're young, you won't want it later. It wasn't espionage, but Shannon Sharpe just lost a $100M ESPN media deal last year for chasing young tail, and he has been fit, wealthy, and famously a playboy surrounded by women since his early 20s if not earlier.
From what I have seen the truth is closer to the opposite; that you don't get it out of your system. You get it into your system. I'm afraid that if one truly wants to avoid these scandals you're better off following the Mike Pence playbook, not the Tony Stark one.
rustystump 3 hours ago [-]
This.
Once you open pandoras box, you dont put it back in. It doesnt matter what age.
The whole, they didnt get enough when younger, sounds like a very strange weird explanation that falls flat when you think for more than 5s about it.
solyin 2 hours ago [-]
Why think about it and draw conclusions from there? That's not how science works. Why should something like sexual proclivities be treated any different? Do we think about how there must be a couple od basic elements and fire is one of them and it's inside the candle and that's how it all works? I mean, just think about it for more than five seconds! How else could a candle work unless the fire is already inside it!
Anyway, here's an actual study about sociosexuality that followed 288 men and those that got married and had kids
showed a decrease in casual sex vs men who didn't.
they are probably gonna target these AI nerds next
afavour 3 hours ago [-]
I’m yet to see evidence that getting more in your youth makes you want less as you age.
Lerc 4 hours ago [-]
I think that is a rather simplistic view of what motivates people.
I would at least like to see some statistics on how much early adulthood behaviour predicts particular later life behaviours before making any conclusions.
Rather than characterising things as 'getting enough trim' perhaps a broader education in dealing with the emotions of life might be more productive.
rglover 4 hours ago [-]
Likely never as that's an ego death many of these guys couldn't handle. They'd implode from shame.
alexjplant 3 hours ago [-]
In a society as transactional as ours (contemporary US culture) one must ask themselves "cui bono?" a hundred times a day. I'd imagine that if the answer is "me" enough times the one develops blind spots such as this one.
On the flip side novels have been written about the lies people tell themselves when they get romantically entangled with obvious troublemakers. Those plots didn't come from nowhere...
MentalM 54 minutes ago [-]
> how not getting enough trim in your younger years makes you especially vulnerable to these schemes once you acquire power and wealth?
I don't sure there is any connection. It is the same things regardless of your popularity in younger years.
wand3r 3 hours ago [-]
It's not an unreasonable point, but let's not pretend these are naive chumps who crumble at the sight of a woman. In this case, Jensen could have been coordinating with intel agencies to feed disinformation or a honeypot honeypot. Obvious speculation, but clearly he understands the game on the table better than us. Still, it is a tactic as old as time, so I am sure plenty fall victim to some degree
MrBuddyCasino 3 hours ago [-]
universal basic girlfriend you say?
noumenon1111 3 hours ago [-]
That needs to come with an additional allowance for pumpkin spice lattes.
in addition to corporate aircraft, drivers, physicians, security, etc... it's high time boardrooms start provisioning high-performing CEOs with concubines.
Natfan 3 hours ago [-]
i pray that this is a joke
MentalM 32 minutes ago [-]
Why? I think it is the most important thing. How can you get peak performance from the men, when they physiologically stop caring about all that important for capitalization stuff when they chasing the woman?
antonvs 3 hours ago [-]
No, that’s just Musk’s alt account.
pphysch 4 hours ago [-]
For each of your 80 stories there are probably a dozen stories of former frat boys and Trump/Epstein types also being in compromising relationships.
I think it has much less to do with any individual's sexual history and much more to do with the rapacious/hypersexual elite culture in USA and elsewhere.
kraken_cult 3 hours ago [-]
Gates and co were/are "Epstein types". They were just honeypotted by Mossad not China via the girls Epstein trafficked.
vehemenz 2 hours ago [-]
Don’t forget the Bilderberg Group, Bigfoot, and aliens!
pphysch 12 minutes ago [-]
Bigfoot and aliens don't exist. The human trafficking industry is very real. Don't be so dismissive.
throwaway384034 4 hours ago [-]
Maybe monogamy is not natural for men?
rayiner 3 hours ago [-]
Mostly monogamous marriage is almost certainly a stable equilibrium given that you see it in societies all over the world that had no contact with each other and little in common otherwise. You see monogamous marriage in neolithic europe as well as among native americans.
WhrRTheBaboons 3 hours ago [-]
because rich fucks can't keep it in their pants? how would that be indicative of anything?
thinkybrewster 3 hours ago [-]
I think you just proved his point without noticing.
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Poudlardo 4 hours ago [-]
poor jensen huang he was obviously tricked by this malicious spy and has nothing to do with any of this (/s)
slowin 4 hours ago [-]
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Varelion 4 hours ago [-]
I would be very interesting in seeing who this spy is, and what her relationship with him was.
brcmthrowaway 4 hours ago [-]
Has Jensen ever expressed an interest or personality?
To me, he seems the platonic ideal of the immigrant Bay Area tech worker. There's absolutely nothing inside besides the will and drive to succeed at work.
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david-gpu 4 hours ago [-]
I wish more billionaires kept their opinions to themselves, rather than trying to influence everybody.
nielsbot 4 hours ago [-]
Agree. Fuck off to billionaire island already. Instead we get "casual destroy the government".
jon128 4 hours ago [-]
Is she relatively hot? Did he get honeytrapped? Someone like him should be aware of the meta of such shenanigans.
whoanoway 4 hours ago [-]
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zkmon 4 hours ago [-]
Sounds like a Bond movie plot.
slowin 4 hours ago [-]
It sounds like anti-Chinese propaganda. This is the NY Post we're talking about.
boringg 4 hours ago [-]
Its headline of the NYT - not sure we have ny post version of the article here.
The headline is from the Post article, not the NYT version is much better.
nostrademons 4 hours ago [-]
This article has the flavor of a strategic political leak by the Trump administration, likely a prelude to blackmail to get NVidia to do something friendly to the administration. You don't have multiple "people briefed on the surveillance, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the findings are drawn from classified intelligence" unless someone high-up in the CIA is greenlighting the leak; that's a crime punishable by decades in prison. And then the whole article has the flavor of "We appreciate your continued support, Jensen, we know you have been a strong ally in public, but if you think of defying us we will hit you with espionage charges and throw you in jail. Look, the groundwork is already in the NYTimes."
Makes me wonder what the next headline is going to be, probably some deal between NVidia and the federal government over export restrictions or something.
peri-cl 4 hours ago [-]
> "Makes me wonder what the next headline is going to be, probably some deal between NVidia and the federal government over export restrictions or something."
Chinese models disappearing from HuggingFace (recently acquired by Nvidia).
GLM-flash and Qwen-next disappeared from ArtificialAnalysis (the top benchmark site) a few days ago; I was wondering if that was a prelude to something greater. Testing the waters.
Oh I see, sorry, I just went as far as checking they were still on the site, didn't check the details.
That is really weird given how widely used they are.
timmmmmmay 2 hours ago [-]
AA updated their benchmark a few days ago and haven't retested every model yet, you can scroll down the page and see those in the old benchmarks
peri-cl 2 hours ago [-]
I'm pretty sure that's not it. They had 30+ models benchmarked and ready at launch, for a seamless transition. We're talking about the charts that're the hero images on their landing page.
These comparison charts missing two of the most popular models are defective.
(Also, these two happen to be "flash" models, which are among the fastest and cheapest to run benchmarks on. Pennies per task).
contingencies 4 hours ago [-]
Gee that's pretty much an antitrust case right there. Sell NVidia while you can.
pixl97 3 hours ago [-]
Um, lol, no.
For one, the US doesn't do anti-trust these days, just pay off uncle-trump to get your way.
Two, there are tons of model providers.
contingencies 3 hours ago [-]
"These days" are ending. Nothing about the current geopolitical climate, global supply chain, energy price, or socioeconomic reality of inter-generational quality of life chasm is stable. Taking a trillion dollar bite out of a bubble beneficiary is a clear opening move for a novel government with restored oversight and an eye on the books.
jdale27 3 hours ago [-]
So they leaked a story about Nvidia violating export restrictions in order to “blackmail” Nvidia into… obeying export restrictions? Wow, that’s some good old fashioned Trumpian 44D chess right there.
UncleOxidant 4 hours ago [-]
What about this part: "President Trump was briefed and took no action." ?
nostrademons 4 hours ago [-]
It's implicitly "President Trump was briefed and took no action yet."
You don't write about it in the NYTimes unless there's a purpose. That purpose is leverage. If you're negotiating, you don't blow all your leverage upfront; you subtly let the other party know you have it, and then wait to see if they play ball. If they don't, that's when you apply pressure.
petre 4 hours ago [-]
It's not the NYT but the NY Post, Rupert Murdoch tabloid media.
UncleOxidant 4 hours ago [-]
It's also in the NYTimes.
freejazz 3 hours ago [-]
So you're saying it might actually be news??
apical_dendrite 4 hours ago [-]
Another interpretation is that someone in the intelligence community felt that since Trump was ignoring what they perceived to be a serious threat to security, their best recourse was to use the media to raise an alarm.
nostrademons 3 hours ago [-]
Hmm, that's a possible read on it. I'd initially assumed an administration leak because the article seems more pro-Trump than the facts warrant (eg. "Mr. Huang, one of the most powerful figures in the A.I. revolution as well as an influential ally of President Trump’s" => Jensen Huang seems neutral/Democratic to me, though primarily concerned with the survival of his business, the picture of the White House luncheon with tech leaders => look at how he's projecting power and the support of the tech community, "People who have watched the two men interact say Mr. Trump has been won over by the lavish praise Mr. Huang has given the president in public" => look at how much lavish praise Mr. Trump gets!). But on a second read, all of those could be interpreted as the CIA complaining about how the close relationship between Trump & Huang is jeopardizing national security, and a few other comments in the article (eg. the sentences about how the Biden administration moved to clamp down on AI exports to China before Trump took over, and how this investigation started under the Biden administration) would support that read.
ActionHank 4 hours ago [-]
Needs to check in with daddy putin first.
Kenji 4 hours ago [-]
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aurareturn 4 hours ago [-]
Looks like McCarthyism is back on the menu. Big media is out in force to push a narrative.
Murfalo 3 hours ago [-]
McCarthyism on the menu? Why, Cold War II is already being served! Hurry up, it's getting... cold : o
nielsbot 4 hours ago [-]
It is NY Post after all
EDIT: Looks like link now points to NYT
JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago [-]
They cite their source in the second paragraph…
laimewhisps 4 hours ago [-]
I don't see that in either article.
nostrademons 3 hours ago [-]
Here on HN, the submitter submitted a link to the NYPost article, but in the description they put a link to the NYTimes version and an archive.is capture of the NYTimes.
laimewhisps 3 hours ago [-]
Yes, and I didn't see sources in either article in the second paragraph.
JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago [-]
> I didn't see sources in either article in the second paragraph
Paragraph 2 from the New York Post article:
“The woman, Alice Huang, also known as Huang Le, is a Chinese citizen who has served as a top executive at Singapore-based Megaspeed, an Nvidia customer and cloud partner that provides AI computing power to Chinese companies including Alibaba, the New York Times reported Thursday.”
laimewhisps 2 hours ago [-]
There are no sources cited in that!
JumpCrisscross 28 minutes ago [-]
What the fuck do you think “the New York Times reported Thursday” means? It’s even a link!
laimewhisps 8 minutes ago [-]
That's not a source. The source would be whoever the New York Times talked to, which they actually don't cite:
> This account is based on interviews with people briefed on the surveillance, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the findings are drawn from classified intelligence, as well as other officials and industry executives and analysts.
nostrademons 2 hours ago [-]
I assume they meant the second paragraph of the HN link. On mobile the link description renders as a paragraph of text after the title.
JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago [-]
No I meant TFA.
autoexec 4 hours ago [-]
If she is a spy I doubt china gave her much choice. I wonder if they paid her or just threatened her loved ones. Either way, she had to hang out with Jensen Huang, poor woman.
jurschreuder 4 hours ago [-]
A spy?! Almost half the people working in usa big tech are asian. If it tips over 50% you could call the white people the spies in asian companies located in usa
First, does her activity actually fit the definition of “espionage”?
Espionage is the act of secretly gathering confidential, classified, or proprietary information without the owner's permission
The most important question is what she actually sent and how secret it was. Most companies have levels of secrecy ranging from non public to highly sensitive. For example, schematics of their chip would be concerning.
Also, this seems pretty different from setting up a mic behind a TV.
Second, although the article tries very hard to imply there was some kind of infidelity, adding irrelevant details about Jensen’s family, I don’t know that any of that happened.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/29/us/politics/nvidia-china-...
https://archive.ph/K7bih
Though the NYT article should be the primary one, not the ny post one.
The picture in the article has a bunch of other people around them, in a bar/club. Pretty sure he wasn’t laying out the blueprints for the next chip right then and there.
I'll go as far as to say it's a right wing agitation propaganda rag. But the story first appeared in the NY Times, as another commenter has linked here,, so it's possible that the story may be accurate (though undoubtedly the nypost has sensationalized it, as that's their specialty), but both things can be true simultaneously. The NY Post can be trash and this series of events might have really happened.
> Mr. Huang has not received a defensive briefing, warnings sometimes given to Americans who are being targeted by foreign intelligence services, people briefed on the surveillance said.
It’s essentially saying intelligence was gathered that a Chinese asset was close to Jensen and absolutely nothing was done about it.
And by that, I mean...
He's the CEO of a company that is in it's second of 15-ish years 'selling shovel' booms. The guy who's motto has been 'We are 30 days from going out of business' for... about-ish 30 years.
Corporate espionage should have been a concern for a good part of that in his communications.
We have no clue what actually happened. For all we know it's a case of 'he was warned, his internal security groups already knew, and they were feeding useless info the whole time'.
We have on the record sources saying that he was not warned by the government. Hence me saying this is a story about government failure.
(According to the Wall Street Journal)
I don't know what to make of this person's life story; she's certainly an extreme statistical outlier.
Now China is the grown-up in the room while the US is running around like a maniac in Venezuela, Iran, and wherever else
No, China is no more a grownup than the US.
This is what I was responding to. I'm trying to figure out how it is nonsense because India has a large population.
India already makes up like 70% of H1Bs.
The US as a whole is accessible to a ton of foreign nationals because there was a push in like the 70s-early 2000s to offshore as much as possible to developing nations and exploit the arbitrage of wage labor back home. That was coupled with a foreign policy that was essentially trying to assimilate the cultures through that trade relation. Obviously China didn't reciprocate that, and many other places didn't either. But the America side of that open door policy (sentiment really) hasn't really gone away, even with the more recent immigration stuff.
I was responding to the claim that "China" or "Chinese as a whole" have higher IQs, that's not really what's happening. Which is why I brought up India, because it's a similar situation, lots and lots of people, plenty of those people are really smart. But it's a measure of a distribution, not really meaningful when talking about the people as whole themselves. Which itself is reductionist.
Would you want to spend your time in a nation looking for 2 of their smart people out of 1000 or make national ties so you can get hundreds of smart people out of their billion?
Also internal distributions will not be even, those smart people are far more likely to be clustered.
On that note, they never worked on french spies as infidelity and sex stuff hold seemingly zero leverage over french men.
Tell that to Jean-Luc Brunel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Brunel
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/oct/31/jp-morgan-j...
$1 billion for trafficking would be 100,000 trafficking victims at a rate of $10,000 per victim, which is claimed by LLMs and some Internet sites. It does not make sense and looks like another operation where ironically the trafficking was the cover.
In other words, we know nothing about the real dynamics that led to the "suicides" of Epstein and Brunel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Boursicot
This may be entirely unfair framing of course.
Also, New York Post? Let's do better.
If NYT was honest, at some point in the past decade it would have acknowledged that one of the primary reporters on its Donald Trump beat was the daughter of an executive VP at the long-time PR firm of Fred and Donald Trump.
https://archive.is/dOHL1
I doubt the NY Post would even deny they are a trashy tabloid. It's their whole thing and understanding that is how you make money in that game.
https://nypost.com/2012/12/05/a-picture-of-controversy/
There's a man that fell off the subway platform, about to get killed by the subway train, and the New York post photographer saw a great opportunity for a photo op for his employer instead of, y'know helping the guy out. Sure, the NYT has had its fair share of scandals but the NY Post isn't well respected for a whole other level of malfeasance.
The NY Post is crass, we all know that. But if that's your best example of their malfeasance, then I guess they aren't that evil after all.
https://fair.org/home/20-years-later-nyt-still-cant-face-its...
The issues you allude to don’t create an equivalence, except in the minds of people with no capacity for discernment whatsoever.
Res ipsa loquitor
Swalwell was targeted by Fang Fang in 2012 when he was on Dublin, California's city council and running for his first term in the House of Reps.
When he was by the FBI to Fang Fang's ties, he immediately cooperated with the FBI's investigation and did exactly what they requested.
Thinking Swalwell made any mistake whatsoever is a great shibboleth for a Twitterbrained midwit.
The technology is honey for the flies of geopolitics.
What did Jensen know and when did he know it?
He should be forced to testify in front of congress.
Lmao
Do you think that when Jensen talks to Sam Altman or Amodei they don't chat on the phone with Donald Trump?? This is just a smear.
Claude was already used in offensive operations in Iran and Venezuela. Why on earth would I want America to have a commanding lead on this? So we can drone strike anyone who disagrees with renaming the Pacific the "American Ocean"?
I've seen 80 variations of this same story over the years.
Despite his other failings you have to give Zuck credit for genuinely being a wholesome wifeguy by all appearances.
That seems like either the behavior of an extremely devoted husband or the behavior of a husband who cheats shamelessly and then gives her showy gifts to "make up for it"
I think the wife hates it.
Many of those with options see it as a badge of pride to stay loyal. One of those, ya I could if I wanted to but hey look I have self control…most of the time.
From what I have seen the truth is closer to the opposite; that you don't get it out of your system. You get it into your system. I'm afraid that if one truly wants to avoid these scandals you're better off following the Mike Pence playbook, not the Tony Stark one.
Once you open pandoras box, you dont put it back in. It doesnt matter what age.
The whole, they didnt get enough when younger, sounds like a very strange weird explanation that falls flat when you think for more than 5s about it.
Anyway, here's an actual study about sociosexuality that followed 288 men and those that got married and had kids showed a decrease in casual sex vs men who didn't.
https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/famconfacpub/267/
I would at least like to see some statistics on how much early adulthood behaviour predicts particular later life behaviours before making any conclusions.
Rather than characterising things as 'getting enough trim' perhaps a broader education in dealing with the emotions of life might be more productive.
On the flip side novels have been written about the lies people tell themselves when they get romantically entangled with obvious troublemakers. Those plots didn't come from nowhere...
I don't sure there is any connection. It is the same things regardless of your popularity in younger years.
Huh?
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/trim (second noun sense, def #8)
I think it has much less to do with any individual's sexual history and much more to do with the rapacious/hypersexual elite culture in USA and elsewhere.
To me, he seems the platonic ideal of the immigrant Bay Area tech worker. There's absolutely nothing inside besides the will and drive to succeed at work.
The headline is from the Post article, not the NYT version is much better.
Makes me wonder what the next headline is going to be, probably some deal between NVidia and the federal government over export restrictions or something.
Chinese models disappearing from HuggingFace (recently acquired by Nvidia).
GLM-flash and Qwen-next disappeared from ArtificialAnalysis (the top benchmark site) a few days ago; I was wondering if that was a prelude to something greater. Testing the waters.
Their benchmarks have been replaced with "N/A" for several days now,
https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/qwen3-8-flash-next
https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/glm-5-3-flash/
That is really weird given how widely used they are.
These comparison charts missing two of the most popular models are defective.
(Also, these two happen to be "flash" models, which are among the fastest and cheapest to run benchmarks on. Pennies per task).
For one, the US doesn't do anti-trust these days, just pay off uncle-trump to get your way.
Two, there are tons of model providers.
You don't write about it in the NYTimes unless there's a purpose. That purpose is leverage. If you're negotiating, you don't blow all your leverage upfront; you subtly let the other party know you have it, and then wait to see if they play ball. If they don't, that's when you apply pressure.
EDIT: Looks like link now points to NYT
Paragraph 2 from the New York Post article:
“The woman, Alice Huang, also known as Huang Le, is a Chinese citizen who has served as a top executive at Singapore-based Megaspeed, an Nvidia customer and cloud partner that provides AI computing power to Chinese companies including Alibaba, the New York Times reported Thursday.”
> This account is based on interviews with people briefed on the surveillance, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the findings are drawn from classified intelligence, as well as other officials and industry executives and analysts.